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A Simple Example of a Thermodynamic Process

Now let’s take a simple example that everyone understands from ordinary life experience. Let’s put some cold water in an insulated container, so no heat will flow into or out of the water from or to the outside. What happens when we drop a hot stone into cold water? The stone cools off and the water warms up. Heat flows spontaneously from the hot stone into the cold water. Eventually the stone and water reach the same temperature. We can wait as long as we like, but heat will never flow the other way. Before we dropped the stone into the water, the heat was concentrated in one place, the stone. There was little heat in the cold water. Most of the heat was in one place and not in another. To that extent the heat was organized or ordered. When most of the heat flowed out of the stone into the water, the heat became disorganized or less ordered, because it was spread out through both the stone and the water. This is what we mean when we say there was a net increase in entropy.

Increases in entropy are closely associated with irreversibility. By themselves the stone will never get hot again while the water at the same time gets colder. The experiment of dropping the hot stone into the cold water is irreversible because there was an increase in entropy or disorder.

Of course we can take the stone out, dry it off, heat it up again, and refrigerate the water. We can reverse the effect of the experiment. To do so, we have to do work or expend energy on the stone and the water to return the two parts of the experiment to their original state of lower net entropy or greater organization. Our work must be intelligent. We have to separate the stone from the water before heating the stone and refrigerating the water. We can’t restore the stone and water to their original states by heating the stone and water together and then putting both into the refrigerator. Separating the stone from the water requires an intelligent, perceptive analysis of their properties. For instance, noting that the stone is solid and that water is liquid, we may pour off the water into another container while holding the stone in place. This doesn’t require great intelligence, but it is something that mindless random action can never do. The stone will never have a lucky fluctuation so great that it will hop out of the water all by itself.

From the foregoing we see that entropy and the second law of thermodynamics are closely associated with intelligence. Without intelligent work no house will clean itself, no mess will straighten itself out, and no heat will concentrate itself. The tendency toward disorder is universal and irreversible by itself. Reversing disorder, or organizing, requires work and intelligence. With sufficient intelligence one can perhaps design a machine or structure to do the work. Any machine that cleans or organizes, and any structure that reduces entropy, must have come from intelligence.

In the simple situation of the stone and the water we can easily estimate the increase in entropy. We need only know the amount of heat that flowed and the initial temperatures of the stone and water. Refining the estimate requires knowing the heat capacity of both the stone and the water. But a reasonable estimate will serve the needs of this example. The change in the internal energy of any object is the amount of energy that flows in, minus the amount that flows out. When the hot stone drops into the cold water, no heat flows into the stone, but some heat flows out of it into the water. The change in the amount of heat in the stone is therefore negative. That is the same as saying that the amount of heat in the stone decreases. At the same time, heat from the stone flows into the water, but no heat flows out of the water. The change in the amount of heat in the water is therefore positive. In other words, the amount of heat in the water increases. Notice that the size or magnitude of the change in the water’s amount of heat is exactly equal to the magnitude of the stone’s change in amount of heat. The two changes are equal in magnitude but opposite in sign. The amount of heat that flowed is equal to the magnitude of the change in amount of heat in either the water or the stone.

The final temperature is the temperature reached after the flow of heat ceases. The final temperature of the water is the same as the final temperature of the stone. It is higher than the initial temperature of the water and lower than the initial temperature of the stone.

The change in entropy is the change in the amount of heat divided by a certain temperature that we will call the appropriate temperature. The mathematical operation of division introduces an inverse relation between change in entropy and temperature. In an inverse relationship, when one quantity is big, the inverse quantity is small. Dividing by a big number gives a smaller answer than dividing by a small number. One hundred divided by 25 gives 4, which is smaller than 100 divided by 20 (= 5), which in turn is smaller than 100 divided by 5 (= 20). The appropriate temperature lies between the initial temperature and the final temperature. The stone’s temperature was high at the start of the experiment, and always remained higher than the water’s temperature, until at last both the stone and water reached the same final temperature and the heat stopped flowing. The appropriate temperature for the stone is therefore a high temperature, somewhere above the final temperature but below the initial temperature of the stone. Therefore the stone’s change of entropy is low in magnitude. This does not affect the sign of the stone’s change in entropy. The change in the amount of heat in the stone is negative, so the change in the stone’s entropy is negative. The hot stone’s entropy decreases when the stone drops into the cold water. The decrease in the stone’s entropy is small in magnitude because the stone’s appropriate temperature is high.

Now consider the water. The same heat that flowed out of the stone flowed into the water. The heat in the water increased. The water was at a low temperature at the start of the experiment. The water’s temperature was always lower than the stone’s temperature until the heat stopped flowing. Therefore the appropriate temperature for the water is low, somewhere below the final temperature but higher than the initial low temperature of the water. The water’s entropy increases by a large amount when the heat of the stone flows into the water.

To get the change in entropy of the combination of the stone and the water, we must add the water’s change of entropy to the stone’s change of entropy. The water’s change of entropy was positive and large. The stone’s change of entropy was negative and small in magnitude. Adding a large positive number to a small-magnitude negative number is the same as subtracting the small number’s magnitude from the large positive number. The result is a smaller number, but the number is positive. The change in entropy of the stone-and-water combination is positive. When we drop a hot stone into cold water, we raise the entropy of the stone-and-water combination. The stone cools down, and its entropy decreases by a small amount. The water warms up, and its entropy increases by a large amount. The overall entropy increases.

The Example Applied to the Sun and Earth
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  • Breaking News
  • The First Three Days of the Earth
    • Reconciling Science and the Bible >
      • Precise Science Confirms the Bible
      • Moses Foresaw Three Discoveries >
        • First Discovery >
          • Mass and Weight of Energy
          • Transformations and Materialization
          • Different Kinds of Rays and Materialization in Empty Space
          • Was Energy the Source of Material
        • Second Discovery
        • Third Discovery >
          • The First Light
          • Separating Light from Darkness
        • Early Ideas about the Beginning
        • An Up-to-Date Ancient Cosmology
        • The Confirmation
        • A Challenging Question
      • Cycles of Darkness and Light >
        • Teaching Children
        • The Idea the Word “Day” Expresses >
          • A Day Not The First Day
          • Not Literal 24-Hour Days
        • How Long Did the First Three Days Last?
        • Earth Rotation and the First Two Days
        • The Duration of the First Day
        • The First Three Cycles of Darkness and Light
      • Was There a Beginning? >
        • An Uncreated Unchanging Universe
        • Evidence for a Beginning >
          • Elements in the Stars
          • Natural Radiation from Space
          • Stars Consume Their Fuel
        • Cosmology and Relativity
        • Instability Determinism Uncertainty, Predestination >
          • Instability
          • Stability and Determinism
          • Predestination Indeterminacy Uncertainty
        • Einstein Science and Philosophy
        • Predestination versus Timely Intervention
    • Simple Elements and Morning Stars >
      • First Evening Energy and Particles >
        • The Energy of Different Kinds of Rays
        • The Most Energetic Rays
        • Natural Particle Production >
          • Simulating the Process
          • Particles from Darkness
        • Darkness in the Bible >
          • Why Darkness Comes First
          • Isaiah on Darkness and Light
      • First Morning-Simple Elements >
        • Doppler Shift Expansion and Cooling >
          • The Beginning of Nucleosynthesis
          • Four Forces
          • Forces Present in Empty Space
        • Nucleosynthesis >
          • The First Elements
          • The First Halt in Nuclei Production
          • Insufficient Complexity
        • The First Light Was Good >
          • The Immediate Cause of the First Light
          • Forming the Light
          • The Confirmation of Darkness and Light
    • Stars that Formed Complex Elements >
      • Second Evening-Expansion >
        • The Expanding Universe >
          • The Giant Atom that Exploded
          • Expansion Not a Big Bang Explosion
          • Expansion Preserves Order
        • Expanding Now But Later What? >
          • Expanding but Uncreated
          • Continuous Creation
          • The Cyclic Version of Continuous Creation
        • The Expanding Universe Prevails
      • Second Morning-Heavy Elements >
        • Heat and Light Make Heavy Elements >
          • Differences in Stellar Composition
          • Nuclear Binding Energy
        • Energy from Fusion and Fission >
          • The Proton-Proton Reaction
          • Nuclear Stability
        • Different Kinds of Fission
        • Burning Helium and Heavier Elements
    • Forming the Sun and Earth >
      • Third Evening-A Dusty Yellow Star >
        • Supernovas Begin the Third Evening
        • Extraterrestrial Water
        • Lighting the Sun
        • The Carbon to Oxygen Reaction
        • The Darkness of the Third Evening
      • Third Morning-The Earth Forms >
        • The Search for a Planet Suitable for Life
    • How Does God Create? >
      • Conditions at the Very Beginning >
        • Creation from Nothing
        • Can We Create Energy? >
          • God Works to Create Energy
          • The Work Necessary to Create the Universe
        • Denial of Creation
        • The Simplest Explanation
        • Creation in a Singularity >
          • Can We Investigate the Instant of Creation?
          • The First Light Has Fluctuations
      • The Next Three Days >
        • Structure in the Genesis Narrative >
          • Examples of Parallelism
          • Parallel Structure in the Creation Narrative
        • Day Four >
          • Not All Stars Formed on the Fourth Day
          • When Did the Stars and Sun Start to Shine?
          • Signs for Animals and People
      • What Is the Origin of the Universe?
    • Appendices >
      • Appendix A
      • Appendix B
  • Design or Luck?
    • Creative Design >
      • Darwin and Adaptive Variation >
        • Finches and Form Adaptation
        • Adaptive Behavior and Structure
        • Intelligence and Autonomy
      • Biological Structure and Reproduction
      • Adaptive Form
      • Darwin and Darwinism >
        • The Development of the Sciences
        • Contrasting Darwinism and Thermodynamics
        • Darwinism Today
      • The Limits of Automatic Design
    • Why Are Not All Darwinists Rich? >
      • Automatic Design: Artificial and Natural >
        • The Automatic Lens-Design Program
        • Company Top Secret
        • Comparing Evolution and Lens Design
        • My Colleagues Reacted
      • Conclusion-Darwinism Does Not Work >
        • Can Design Be Automatic?
        • Darwinism and Automatic Design
      • How Far Can Small Steps Take Us? >
        • Small Improvements Are Merely Engineering
        • The Vastness of Hyperspace
        • Primordial Alphabet Soup >
          • Wide Coding Overcomes Noise
          • DNA is a Natural Language
          • Common Ancestry
          • Accepted Words Span the Space
        • Is Creative Design Consistent with Darwinism? >
          • Engineering Design
          • A Challenge for Darwinists
    • Thermodynamics >
      • Thermodynamics Information and Creation >
        • The First Law of Thermodynamics
        • Physical Law Keeps Life from Starting by Itself
        • Spontaneous-assembly-by-random-action >
          • Random action cannot produce living beings
        • Prigogine’s Explanation of His Method
        • Reasons for Not Applying Thermodynamics
        • Does Crystallization Defeat the Second Law?
        • Does Gravity Organize Things?
        • The Second Law of Thermodynamics >
          • Entropy
          • Perpetual Motion
        • Information and Order >
          • Entropy Probability and Information
          • Multiplying Probability and Adding Entropy
          • Probability and Information
        • Structure Design Intelligence and Creativity >
          • Structure and Breakdown--Death and Decay
          • Perfection and Beauty
      • Earth-Sun Thermodynamics >
        • A Simple Example of a Thermodynamic Process
        • The Example Applied to the Sun and Earth
      • Another Error about Thermodynamics >
        • A Darwinist Argument about Thermodynamics
        • Sunlight and Earth Temperature
        • What Makes Sunlight Suitable?
      • The Night Sky Is Dark >
        • Olbers and his Paradox
        • A Black Forest and the Stars >
          • Seeing to the Far Limit of the Universe
          • The Limit of the Known Universe
          • Ordinary Darkness
      • A Planet Suitable for Life
      • The Thermodynamics of Life >
        • Living Organisms and Heat Engines >
          • The Thermodynamics of Life without Sunlight
        • Entropy Thermodynamics and Prigogine >
          • Darwinism and Thermodynamics
      • Thermodynamics and the Universe >
        • Formless and Dark but Energetic and Orderly >
          • Entropy and Penrose
        • Creative Agencies and Their Characteristics
    • Complex Order-Life-Intelligence >
      • Random Action and Complexity
      • Does Matter Organize Itself?
      • Complexity Can Be Specified
      • Information and Physical Laws
      • Did Our Life Begin Elsewhere?
      • Discovering Alien Life Will Change Nothing
      • Creative Design Suits the Universe for Life
    • The Quest Continues
  • Creationism that Scientists Can Accept
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